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Saturday, January 1, 2011

In Their Own Words

I received an email this morning with two attachments.  The email said these excerpts of the students' reflections, before their grades were changed, were given to "the powers that be".  If these truly are the words of the students all I can say is the alleged students writing comments now are trying to rewrite history.

87 comments:

Anonymous said...

Is it legal to be giving these out like this?

Sam said...

Wow, so they admit to not doing the work? What are APkid and AP macro student talking about then?

Julian Assange said...

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Mr. Holland said...

Did the principal read these, and then made up the grades. Whoa...these kids didnt do work? And then, they denied on this blog and claimed to be protecting their integrity? What integrity? How many kids were in this class, 15? Do numbers correspond to the student. This is disturbing.

Anonymous said...

I'm not sure I understand the concept of these self assessments. However, I do feel like this is a grand breech of privacy. The way this blog is outright bullying these kids is really, really quite juvenile. There are much better ways of resolving issues. This blog is the opposite.

Julian Assange said...

Who's privacy has been breeched? No names, no grades, just reflections. Just because you do not like what is written does not mean it is illegal to publish it. Go ask the US foreign service how they feel about their embarrassing comments posted for the whole world to see.

Mr Holland said...

Bullying kids? I do not see this as the intent. Aren't these former student anyhow, did they all graduate from HHS? There have been several graduates of many high schools across America and the world that can't hide behind the protection of their principal forever. This new piece of the story gives a great deal of validity to the remarks of the super-duper-intendent!

Anonymous said...

1. Admitting to not doing a couple of homework assignments doesn't warrant a grade of a 30/40. A lowered grade, yes, but destroying student averages, no.

2. I don't believe that these reflections should have been released without the students' knowledge. True, no names, no grades, but these students did not know or give permission for their work to be released, and to do so is unprofessional of the teacher, especially in this format of a blog. Sharing it with the administration would be one thing. But, posting it on this blog is just trying to destroy the students.

3. How do we know these are actual student reflections? It is also possible that someone could make these up, or leave out other important reflections to use for his/her own benefit.

I don't believe that you can give a lot of weight to these reflections, and the teacher should be embarrassed that he/she released them and was willing to throw their students under the bus. Is that the kind of person we really want to be teaching our youth?

PS 45 Teacher said...

How could a principal hand grades out after reading this information? If this ever happened in my district, Buffalo Public Schools it would be all over the Buffalo Evening News.....why didn't this go to the News? This seems like a good story for Dan Herbeck...I will forward blog to his attention. It would be nice if people realize that there is corruption in lily white suburban districts, not just poor urban Buffalo. Heck, our biggest issue is making sure our kids have shoes, food in their stomachs and us teachers keep our botox treatments (and I assure you I need it!)!!!!

Assume not said...

Assumptions fly wildly around this blog. Just reading today people contend they know the author of the blog, they know what happened with the grade fraud and now someone is contending to know who sent the author the students' self-reflections. Assume not

AP Macro Student said...

I would like to thank the postings under "Anonymous" on this blog for asking the right questions. I don't know if it was just one person or many, but I too would like to know if it's legal to give these out like this.

Anonymous said...

I think this is illegal. Why is this on here? How do we know this is real? Where did you receive this from?

Lets hear from the teacher! said...

Not doing work doesnt warrant a 30 or 40? Of course not, only a 50. THe kids have been harassing this AP teacher. If they read this telling blog why dont they chime in, or are they terrified?

Anonymous said...

Didn't people want another side to the story? You have the super admitting grades were changed which impacted the top ten and student reflections admitting they didn't do all the work. If you didn't really want the other side of the story, you shouldn't have complained.

Focus on the content said...

Why does everyone focus on the legality? What about the content?

AP Macro Student said...

We don't need to focus on the content, because vast portions of it are likely made up. I can't know for sure, because I only wrote my own, which I don't think is on here. I didn't read any of the other ones until now, because they were DESIGNED TO BE PRIVATE, but I'd bet most of these are made up/embellished in some way. Who's the source? Come out come out wherever you are...

How do we know? said...

Yeah!! Lets hear whosever behind all of this!! We don't know if these are all real or not.

Anonymous said...

AP MACRO, PERHAPS THESE REMARKS ARE AS TRUE AS THE GRADES YOU EARNED SECOND QUARTER!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I dont believe this is real. lol Its just that simple? The students got free grades? What?!?! No, this is fake. I want to know the source of this.

Anonymous said...

How do we know this is real?

This blog is a joke said...

This is just as fake as all of the other blog posts.

Anonymous said...

If its not real, who cares. Or perhaps the truth stings, and the truth will out. Clearly these kids protest and then reality hits.

Anonymous said...

Again, if its not real why are you taking something from it? lol That makes absolutely no sense. Stop trying to make comebacks

APkid said...

I did not write any of these, and believe me I did write one. If mine is, in fact, on this then it has been embellished and it has been tampered with. Additionally, I wrote/signed the assessment with the knowledge that it would be confidential. THIS POST IS ILLEGAL, and I WILL contact authorities to see what actions I can take. I already know the teacher showed them to other instructors, but this has crossed the line. I will not stand for it.

Anonymous said...

#6, page 3...

The student thanks the teacher for being able to make up their grade for the second quarter. So if the students were able to "MAKE UP" their own grades with the teacher, why are we worried about the principal changing them?!

I highly, highly doubt that these are the real assessments, and if they are the students' words are probably taken out of context.

Occam said...

The question of whether or not the students did the work is almost irrelevant. If you question the track record of the students, that is another debate entirely, but the students' record shows that said students were not ones to shy away from the work that needed to be accomplished. There must be a reason why they allegedly did not do the work. Therefore, one must look to the classroom environment as facilitated by the teacher. When one sees an outlier in any set of data, the rest of the data is not first thrown into question but the circumstances surrounding the exceptional example.

Therefore, regardless of the student's feelings about how the class was going, the first thing that must be questioned with a track record as seen in this example is the circumstances surrounding the exceptional example. The students, used to being able to accomplish and succeed, may have been thrown into a situation in which they were not given the tools to accomplish the work they were given. Having been told time and time again that "it's never the teacher's fault," they were inclined to blame themselves for the grades they had been given, whether the grades were reasonable or not. And they're not going to reflect on the teacher's shortcomings in a "self-assessment."

The fact of the matter remains; the grades were an outlier. If the students were given the necessary tools to succeed, their records show that they would have.

Anonymous said...

Occam why don't we all just rest on our laurels? Forget attempting to accomplish anything. The fact remains the superintendent says grades were changed and that changed the order of the top ten. LIVE WITH THAT.

Math 101 said...

Occam,

Your use of the work outlier is misplaced. Perhaps, the teacher that taught you math was an "outlier" b.c you clearly did not not learn the concept.

Stockholm Sweden said...

"SInce the beginning of the school year I have been incredibly busy.....with other things, textbooks don't teach material succinctly.....I decided to do college applications rather than maintain quality of work...."

"Student-ness" English is my second language and I know this word does not exist.

In Europe, this students would have failing marks. In America, your system rewards these behaviours. This blog is interesting as it makes clear the true trouble with American education, your pupils run your system. We learn about helicopter parents in American life, were they hovering around their children as they chose to do other things rather than their studies. This blog has gained a great deal of attention with my peers in education. We appreciate the Jullian Assange remarks....but understand it is not him, or is it?

Anonymous said...

Seems like people are going to great lengths to protest the reality of this grade fraud.

Anonymous said...

The teachers union is so weak and pathetic you can't help but laugh.

Friends in Greece said...

What on earth does the teachers union have to do with the principal making up grades? My guess is that the principal should be checking with his administrators union? Alternatively, the comments made on this blog are administrators attempting to discredit the teachers. looks like, smells like....must be an Achramovitch! He pulled these stunts in greece! tape recorded meetings, never put things in email..unless anonymous, lied...about everything, right to your face. Cmon Stevie A, are you gonna pull your stunts again? You are caught on tape telling the world one of hamburg administrators made up grades. You seem like you could be with people of the same ilk.

Title IX said...

I see that other area schools have girls hockey teams. Girls of Hamburg unite, there are a number of us that play hockey. Let get a team take it to the school board.

Occam said...

9:53 - The grades were changed because of extenuating circumstances, not simply because of how poor they were. The students' track record, both in previous years and in the year in question point to the fact that there must have been extenuating circumstances. The widespread assumption in this blog is that the teacher is infallible. It is not resting on one's laurels to change an ineffective educational situation.

Math 101 - "outlier: statistics: See scatter diagram; a point in a sample widely separated from the main cluster of points in the sample." The students' grades in the class were far outside of their normal individual grade cluster, thus an outlier. It is not misused.


Stockholm - Your argument is ad hominem, and the irony is that your entry also makes grammatical errors (though I do concede that English is your second language). Your view of American education seems to be highly influenced by stereotypes and the anti-American sentiment prevalent throughout the world. If students were to not put in the necessary time on their college applications in this country, they would not get into college. Prioritizing is necessary, and the entry you cite does not specify what quality of work was maintained. A small sacrifice does not necessarily call for a failing grade.

Anonymous said...

Occam, you forget that grades were changed in *almost every instance. Key word: almost. Why didn't everyone need their grade changed?

Anonymous said...

Occam, your logic is flawed just like the rest of the logic on this blog. Get over yourself and stop trying to sound like your logic is somehow impervious to bias.

Anonymous said...

If you didn't do your work, you didn't do it. Try missing a couple of assignments in college. Then try going to the Dean to complain that that the professor didn't teach. See what that does to your grade.

Klozman said...

Occam, do not take this as a negative criticism. Perception trumps truth and logic. The more erudite your writing the less impact you will have on the masses; they won't understand you. Humans, in the final analysis, are governed by emotions, not their brains. If you think otherwise, it is only because you haven't lived long enough to grasp this realization.

If Bush can get elected said...

Good point Klozman. "It all comes down to who they want to have a beer with"--Karl Rove

Anonymous said...

I must say, I favor the students in this entire situation, but Occam you're posts are horribly boring to read. Stop pretending you're smart and get to the point.

Anonymous said...

Your posts not you're posts. No wonder you think Occam's posts are boring to read.

HHS Alum of 2010 said...

I also agree with the readers. Occam, what you write is just written nonsense. I don't care if you graduated in the top 10, your rhetoric is poor and just hard to read without wanting to fall asleep. Put your focus into something else, like being a better person.

Anonymous said...

Occam, don't listen to them! Your logic makes sense and it's sure not boring. At least college professors know how to teach, unlike some hs school teachers. People just aren't using their brains. Keep going Occam!

HHS Class of 2010 said...

Occam, the world corrects such arrogance. Your application of an outlier is flawed. If all the grades were poor in the class, then that is the data. An outlier would be in the instance that a student did well, which it states somewhere in the blog. The student doing well would have been the outlier. ANd using your flawed concept, that students grade should have been adjusted downward to fall in line with the cluster. Or maybe, honesty should have prevailed.

Hamburg Class of 2010- a B student said...

Anonymous,

How can illogical remarks make logic? And, college professors are some of the worst teachers!!! They just stand there lecturing or if you are lucky with overhead notes and expect you can keep up. And they expect students do work, unlike the ones who admitted not doing work on this blog. Maybe you should visit a college and sit in on a class..... HS teachers make learning fun...crayons, glue, and all kinds of tricks to justify handing out 90s. But at the end of the day, learning is the job of the student, even if your stuck with some foreigner who speaks english as a second language. Take ownership of your learning whiny kids on this blog...stop blaming others!!!! And, outliers (or perhaps out-liars) I learned all this the hard way!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Occam is using "outlier" in terms of the students' grades throughout schooling. The outlier is the failing grade given in the one specific AP class. If these students had grades all throughout high school that were in high 90s, a failing grade of 45 would be an outlier in the set of data.

It makes sense.

AP Macro Student said...

HHS Class of 2010: You misunderstand Occam. His data set is not the grades for the class, they are the rest of the grades that these students got in other classes. Since all those grades were good, and the Macro grades were bad, then the grades for the Macro/Gov. class were in fact an outlier. His usage of outlier is correct, so stop getting hung up on it.

Anonymous said...

HHS Class of 2010 you are the same person. So stop talking.

First off, college professors know their stuff, don't give me that crap. They are some of the smartest people I've ever met in my life. Yeah, they may not treat me like a 2 year old like hs teachers but their knowledge makes me want to listen. I'm learning the most I've ever learned right now. I'm not saying high school didn't teach me anything but in my eyes college is where it's at when it comes to learning. Don't give me that crap. I'm not saying all of the teachers at Hamburg were a joke, but there are some that make you question how they earned their degree in EDUCATION. I don't understand why anyone's calling these kids whiney?? Their just sticking up for their selves because they're being slandered. How is that whiney?? If someone accused you of something you didn't do, you're going to act whiney? What? The only one who's whining is Concerned Hamburger who keeps brings up these meaningless topics of "Grade Fraud", who keeps stirring the pot when there is none! So sue?!?!?! You're going to accomplish nothing. Go waste your time!!!

Another thing, if you're going to believe a 10 second recording, I hope to God you don't jump off of a bridge if someone tells you there's a pond of pillows at the bottom.

In the words of Spock- Live long and prosper.

Anonymous said...

And sue me if I spelled whiny- whiney!

Anonymous said...

What are you trying to accomplish with this, Concerned Hamburger? Obviously you have a reason for making three different posts related to the same issue. What is your goal? Please, do share with us. I'm seriously beginning to question the intentions of this blog. This happened over a year ago. Why is this suddenly a big issue with you now? These kids are gone from Hamburg and moved on. Do you (and some other posters on this blog) want these kids to fail? Do you want them to be held back by this? Let's look at the grand scheme of things. 10 years from now this won't even matter. How many employers asked to see your high school grades when you interviewed for a job? Better yet, how many asked what your class rank was? I can guess just about none. Mine didn't. I'm not here defending what these kids did nor am I condemning them. All I am saying is there are bigger fish to fry in this district than 15 some odd graduates. Even Concerned Hamburger would agree to that. "Address the grade fraud" came up as #7 of 12 on New Year's Wishes for 2011.

Anonymous said...

AP Macro, So Occam was the data collection person for all student grades? Really, stop protesting...its embarrassing!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous it doesn't take a genius to see that the grade fraud posts get the most traffic.

Anonymous said...

It actually brings the most stupidity out of people.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 6:53,

Very astute observation. I'm well aware that this topic receives the most traffic. If you look at the questions I posed you'll see I'm asking Concerned Hamburger what he/she is trying to accomplish by making so many posts. Which, by the way, I'm still waiting for my answers to those questions.

Anonymous said...

It is so obvious which posts are written by teens because of the immature thoughts and irrational attempts at rationalizations. First of all bickering about whether HS or college teachers are better is silly. You will find good and bad teachers in all fields of education. Also, a good teacher to one person may not be so good to another, because everyone learns differently!!!

If the grade fraud did take place, it is a real issue because it is unethical, immoral, and unfair. Anyone who can't see that has a problem. It isn't the kind of thing students should learn is acceptable. People shouldn't think "who cares?" "no one checks up on class rank" and "no one will remember it in 10 years." REALLY? Maybe it matters to the person who was bumped down in the class rank. Maybe it matters to the kid who failed by a few points, but didn't get a "grade adjustment" to help him. That "sweep it under the rug" mentality is what is wrong with this whole picture.

Some of these posters clearly have a lot of growing up to do. Hopefully, in about 10 years when you have had more life experiences you may understand why grade fraud is wrong. Trying to write up a data analysis on it won't change that IT'S WRONG!!! If you don't have a worthwhile thought to contribute, get off this blog and go study. Remember, wasting time and becoming side tracked with other things (like this blog) is what got the AP kids into the grade fraud mess in the first place (by their own admission).

AP Macro Student said...

That's not what I'm saying at all. No one collected any data, we're just saying that if you understood the caliber of students that were in this class, and if you saw what we did EVERYWHERE ELSE, you would understand that the grades we got in this class WERE OUTLIERS. Something like that doesn't just happen to every one of us; there had to be a reason. It wasn't grade fraud; we weren't protesting the grades. We're not whiny kids who just wanted our grades changed. While that was part of the result, it wasn't the main reason why we talked to the administration. You're telling me to stop protesting, when in fact I'm not protesting anything. I'm just defending the truth.

who cares said...

1. This blog is hilarious
2. As a former student..."grade fraud" happens more than you think
3. Ask any college or high school student to honestly reflect on the amount of effort they put into their school work, and with a few exceptions, you will find very similar answers, no one wants to do work, and everyone will do the minimum to get by.
4. Its sad that grade fraud and lazy students happens but attacking a group of 18 year olds for one incident will not solve this problem, the only way to solve these problems is to change human nature...good luck.

V for Vendetta said...

Anonymous 8:03,

If you're going to be that person who is condescending to these kids like everyone else, okay, let me critique yours post. Your use of all caps doesn't make you sound any more angry or upset or whatever you are. Your use of triple exclamation points doesn't make you any more excited or whatever you may be. Your use of irrational is wrong. Drawing conclusions based off information is actually very rational; however wrong you may think they are. And if you seriously think it will matter in 10 years, that's your opinion, you're entitled to it. But I'd bet you don't remember what your graduating class rank was or even your overall average for your senior year. I know I don't. And lastly, I'm fairly certain many of these kids are still on winter recess. They "waste" time on this blog because of people who won't let them refocus on school.

condescension-to show feelings of superiority

No one has the right to belittle these kids. This is my last post. Enjoy.

Anonymous said...

V for Vandetta, I wish more people were like you.

I'm done with this. Peace.

grades matter said...

Three years ago, students were called to the principal to be advised of their top ten status. Before calling them to his office, he call no 11, she then arrived in my class. Minutes later no 10 came to class. What separated these kids was tenths of a point. Tenths of a point is several points on a final average, or several points on a quarterly average. Don't tell me that people wont remember the grade fraud, they will. No 11 will and so will the kids that didn't have their grades made up. If class rank doesn't matter, why do it? I have been teaching in a top highschool for 30 years. Grades matter and so do lies. Shame on u hamburg high.

Apkid said...

Grades matter,

If u r a techr thn u shd kno how txt spk lwrs the crdibility of ur argument.

Finally, lets get one thing clear. there were no made up grades

Grades DO Matter said...

APKid,


If the grades were not made up, why did the superintendent say it on the tape/video? Sorry for the texting, teachers are not perfect...apparently unlike the out-liars in this AP Class. I just wonder, what were the scores on the AP Exams??? I just pray that the thousands of students I have worked with over the years did not turn out as arrogant as some of the youngsters that come out of Hamburg High.

Hamburg Alum said...

Yeah, I robbed a bank the other day. I was such a bad student. Thanks Hamburg! What? Are you kidding me? You're not a teacher at Hamburg. Stop pretending to be like one. And if you are, I'm ashamed to hear you are/were ever one.

Anonymous said...

Wow, people are dumb, they use the same response every time. It's the same thing over and over again. This is going absolutely no where. People are really just afraid to admit that the students are speaking the truth.

Anonymous said...

Grades Matter,

I like your question. Why have a top 10? I think life would be better without class ranks.

marx said...

I am surprised in our socialist education system we allow top ten. shouldnt all kids be graded by ability and not results, like in a socialist system.

Sad Hamburger said...

Some of the comments made in on this topic make me very sad, and I feel the need to add some of my own points to the mix:

(1) Just because someone is a college professor does not mean that they are good teachers. Yes, they may have a firm knowledge in their field, but in my experience - many were very dry, and some hardly spoke English. Has anyone ever heard of "Publish or Perish"? Profs are there to do research and bring esteem to the university - teaching is a secondary duty. Many of them haven't even taken one single education class. So don't give me the B.S. argument about the amount of education equaling skills as a teacher. Some of the brightest people I know have absolutely no personality or people skills, and would frankly suck at teaching.

(2) Of couse HHS students are arguing in favor of these grade changes. If I was a student, I would too. The fact that a group got their way would give me hope that I could do it in other classes too. Why expose the problem and close the door on future opportunities?

(3) Grade inflation is a sorry sorry situation. Many students do the minimum work and expect "EXTRA CREDIT" to get by. When I was a student in high school, our class vaidictorian was not the smartest in the grade. The validictorian was just the person who knew how to best work the system, demonstrate the persona of being a hard worker, pull off slightly above average grades, and act the part. PS.... Our saluditorian got to college, had a mental brake down, dropped out, and got pregnant.

(4) In my experience, about half of all the AP students have entitlement issues. They feel they have already proven themselves by the simple fact that they are enrolled in an AP program. What happens then is that they do not put the work and effort required into their studies - for the first time in their lives they get grades in the 70's, they freak out - and call everything unfair. There is no "personal responsibility" anymore. Get this kids - the world is unfair. I don't care how much you think you know - the world owes you nothing. Learn what "work ethic" means. Put away your cell phones and do something that means something.

Anonymous said...

What were the AP scores for this class. Any student that comes out of a High School in the USA should be able to get at least a 3 on US Government, AP MACRO requires a great deal of work, a basic understanding of math, and a taste for the dismal science. We have been teaching these courses for years at West Seneca. What were the student's scores? Was it worth their time to manipulate their principal? Let me guess, they blame their AP scores on their teacher, too? Or did the dog eat their papers?

Anonymous said...

from what i've heard from kids in that class, i guess most of them did okay on the exams. the new teacher was supposedly super great at teaching them and they all loved him. they would always talk about how much work he put into the class and how they were learning an entire years worth of material in half a year, but he made it easy for them to do that i guess. apparently he got them pretty up to par the second half of the year. i dont really know him though, he wasnt my economics teacher.

Anonymous said...

There were kids in that AP class who got 5's on every single one of their other AP tests, I doubt they did that poorly on these ones...

DATA GUY said...

There were no 5s on any of the exams. There were 7-1s, 3-2s, 3-3s and 2-4s, NO 5s....that that was on Macro. US were pretty much the same. Average US Gov score was 3.1. A website publishes break out of scores by school. The grades are readily available.

Anonymous said...

Hey anonymous....u prove the point, the teacher was doing all the work and he was easy on the kids....that seems to be backwards dont ya think? I heard that he let them do what they wanted and gave them whatever grade they wanted and they were happy spoiled children. Thats what I heard, and I was in the next period class with about 5 of them, and they always laughed about how they got away with doing NOTHING!!!! Get the story straight.

Anonymous said...

Really, these AP need to stop posting now because they are sounding more like spoiled brats with every post. It is so evident that this all went down exactly the way it sounds. You "kids" who are really adults now that you're 18 need to get a clue. How can you claim to now be whiny and lazy when you post things like this:

1. I couldn't do my work because I had college applications to fill out and/or a lot on my plate.
2. It's the teacher's fault my scores were low.
3. No one wants to work hard in school.
4. No one should belittle these "kids"
5. I am a "top 10 kid" so it's impossible for me to get a low score in a class.
6. The teacher "didn't teach" but that was fine when I had a good grade the first semester.

If this is the thought process of our "top 10" something is really wrong. I sincerely hope HHS is producing better students than this. I think Sad Hamburger might have it right, these are just individuals that know how to play the system. It's easy to say "who care's" when you are the one who came out on top. I'm sure plenty of people that got screwed in this situation do care.

As far as your claims that no one wants to work hard and you can't do work when you have college applications to fill out, let me fill you in on what the real world is like. I payed my own way through college. I worked and commuted the entire time. When I went to grad school I also worked full time, raised a family and ran a household. I managed to do all that while legitimately holding a 3.9 GPA. I did all this because I am a hard worker and yes, I cared about doing well. I know I am not the only one that can honestly say that. Hopefully, most people are not looking to take the easy road.

Wow, I really hope there are still decent parents out there that are raising their kids the way my parents raised me: to accept responsibility for their own actions. I know that is my goal for my own children. I would be ashamed to be a parent of one of individuals posting such egocentric comments. Anyone with these poor, pathetic attitudes doesn't deserve respect and certainly not the "top 10" status they continue to boast about.

Do yourselves a favor AP kids, stop posting because you sound more guilty every time you do.

APkid said...

The ignorance on this blog is astounding. that is all I have to say.

Anonymous said...

APkid - if that's all you have to say then thank God we've heard the last of you.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous (5:47 AM)

I am glad that you are blindly accepting the word of an anonymous leader with no questions whatsoever, because that makes complete sense. Don't take into account that they are providing a jaded and one sided view. That would take conscious thought. And don't listen to those who ACTUALLY WERE THERE because that would take effort. You are the epitome of blind followers and you should be proud.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, Anonymous 5:47, you should probably stop talking.

Anonymous said...

All of the people on here that think they know what the kids got on their exams, really makes me giggle.

Anonymous said...

10:50 you are missing the point...we are listening to what the people who "were there" are saying. Their own posts are the problem. Each time one of them posts, with their entitled and egocentic views, they dig the hole deeper. No hard working person will respect such childish, ignorant complaining.

PS: Don't use all caps or V for Vendetta might throw a hissy fit.

HHS Teacher said...

How are these kids digging a deeper hole? Tell me. They are explaining everything clearer and clearer every time to the people that don't understand and keep on ignoring them. You kids are doing the right thing and I'm proud of you.

data dude said...

Apkid and ApMacro,why didn't you shoot your mouths off at the board meeting. Many of us sat there waiting for ur pathetic defense of grade fraud, but nothing was said. Guess it is easy to hide behind a blog, and the scores are accurate and will be reprinted. My guess u are apkid u didn't get a 3 on either and apmacro, u must've bought a review book. Scores are available.

Anonymous said...

Dear Data Dude, you speak so highly of yourself why did't you talk at the meeting? Did you ever think that they went to defend their selves in case somebody said something about them if they weren't there to defend their selves. No you didn't, so shut your mouth. I bet you're no where in life either, so go buy a book for dummies on how to shut the heck up. And there are no scores online either.

Anonymous said...

their selves? Really? I hope you were not an AP student.

Concerned Hamburger said...

I have to do this again: no more comments about grade fraud. I again will revert to the superintendent's words, "these are grades that were changed in almost every instance by Mike Gallagher. There may have been an impact on the top ten should those grades have stood." Live with that and know your grade changes aversely affected others.

OMG said...

I hope a lot of this info is false.

CR Class of 2008 said...

Kids did not work and they got grades made up. Nothing new I graduated in 08 and my English grade was changed so I could graduate. Helps that my mom called the School Board members and complained about my teacher, who I now think back on was generous when she gave me a 55. I prolly deserved a 20 and on top of that I was such a bad kid. Grew-up thank God. The teacher did teach me I was too lazy to learn. And now I am going to be an English teacher....if there are any jobs. Thank you Mrs. First....and I am sorry for being a jerk and too stupid to know it.

Anonymous said...

We were in a parent meeting this year with the HHS Principal. My wife and I walked away from the meeting wondering what the man said. He could string together a coherent sentence...he seems to like simple solutions, like making up grades. He gave my niece a 1/2 credit in Economics to graduate 4 years ago, because they forgot to tell her she needed to come back in January to repeat the class, so he gave her credit. My son was getting bullied and he did nothing....but stare at us in a meeting. Is this what my taxes are paying for???